is tax policy and tax code, we always talk about this bloated tax code. we keep hearing how far it's massive and no one can make heads or tails of it it hurting small business and big business in this country. when you look at it 100 years ago, better or worse than it is today? >> it's much worse than it was when it first went into law. there is no doubt we need fundamental tax reform. doesn't look like there is much momentum for it in the next four years. i don't think we'll be having that what concerns me most is we are going to institute another broad tax value added tax or carbon tax that will lament in 100 years as we do the income tax today because it will allow the federal government to grow even ladies and gentlemen than it is right now. >> what was the highest percentage of tax and lowest. will we ever have a flat tax in this country? >> the highest was 91%. that was back as early as actually 1960. and we have been down to 28% at the end of the 1980s, after the 1986 tax reform. a flat tax is the goal that we would like to see. we have been for it